Away from the center of the ring
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I'm sure this question has been asked before.Can I run another cable off a single socket (which will be converted to a double) that already appears to have a spur off it (therefore has three sets of wires in it) to a fused spur, which will then feed another double socket?
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I'm assuming your single socket is a ring. Yes, you can take another spur off it if you can get four sets of wires into it. The fused spur is also not required for the double socket. After all, the plugs you use have fuses. -
To be completely honest, I thought you could only have one spur per socket. Otherwise, you could pull 52A through the wires in your setup without blowing any plugs. If you use a fused spur, you can spur off as many times as you want because the maximum the spur will draw is 13a.What you would do is determined by the location of the third wire or existing spur. You could rewire it to run off your fused spur.
- Stop providing incorrect regulatory advice. He cannot spur another socket off the ring if the socket is part of it.I'm assuming your single socket is a ring. Yes, you can take another spur off it if you can get four wire sets into it. The fused spur is also not required for the double socket. After all, the plugs you use have fuses.
Only one unfused spur of a single or double socket can be spurred from each ring socket outlet or stationery equipment.
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No way, Mr I. The rules for spurring off ring circuits are as follows: you are permitted to connect ONE unfused spur to a socket (single or double) or ONE fused spur to as many sockets as you wish. Both cannot exist on the same point. You'd need to convert the single socket to a fused connection unit, connect the existing spur, and then connect your new double socket to the fcu. Alternately, convert the single to a double and install a fused connection unit next to it, then connect the existing spur to it and add the new double. - The problem is that I don't know which wire is the spur wire or where it goes.Mr I, you cannot do that. The rules for spurring off ring circuits are as follows: you may connect ONE unfused spur to a socket (single or double) or ONE fused spur to as many sockets as you like. You cannot have both at the same time. You'd need to convert the single socket to a fused connection unit, connect the existing spur, and then connect your new double socket to the fcu. Alternately, convert the single to a double and install a fused connection unit next to it, then connect the existing spur to it and add the new double.
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Then you'll need testing equipment. If you get it wrong, you may break the ring. Are you CERTAIN it's a ring? What size is the breaker on the circuit board? 32A indicates a ring, while 20A or 16A indicates a radial. -
There's no way to get them all through a junction box (which I can get under the floorboards) and run something from there. -
No, connecting all wires in a jb is not a good idea. You must know whether it is a ring, which of the three legs is the ring, and where the spur goes in case it is spurred again. - You are correct, daviesm; he cannot do so if he wants to follow the rules.To be clear, I am not a spark. I thought you could only have one spur per socket. Otherwise, you could pull 52A through the wires in your setup without blowing any plugs. If you use a fused spur, you can spur off as many times as you want because the maximum current the spur can draw is 13a.
What you would do is determined by the location of the third wire or existing spur. I suppose you could rewire it to run off your fused spur.
- No, putting all wires together in a jb is not a good idea. You must know whether it is a ring, which of the three legs is the ring, and where the spur goes in case it is spurred again.
There is no way around it without testing equipment.
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I'm not sure why my response was included in the quote.So, without test equipment, I'm at a loss.
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Oh, wait a minute. I believe I misread 'unphased' in the first response. So, could I combine all three existing sets into a fused unit and then run two double sockets from there? In theory, the fused unit should be feeding my two new double sockets, as well as the existing ring and who knows where the old spur is. -
You don't know which spur is connected to which load/output, so that wouldn't work either. I'm hesitant to offer advice because I believe you should hire someone. If the three wires were disconnected, I believe only two would be live when reconnected. You could use a multimeter to measure the alternating current voltage between the line and neutral for each cable, or you could figure out where the current spur goes. Install the fused spur, then connect two of the wires to the supply terminals and one to your existing single socket. Only one of the three combinations would result in a dead socket. That cable would supply power to the spur.Obviously, you should then check for continuity and ensure that the ring is not broken, which will necessitate the use of testing equipment. I
- I'm going to call the electric police.I'm assuming your single socket is a ring. Yes, you can take another spur off it if you can get four wire sets into it. The fused spur is also not required for the double socket. After all, the plugs you use have fuses.
- lol Don't worry, I knew you could only take one spur off at a time. I was just wondering if you could run another as long as it was fused.I'm going to call the electric police.
- If you have access to all three cables under the floorboards, you can cut into one of the ring final cables and run a spur from there using an appropriate MF junction box. Of course, you'll need to identify which cables are on the ring, which you can do by purchasing a cheap multimeter for around ten quid and performing continuity tests on the cables with MAINS POWER OFF.There's no way to get them all through a junction box (which I can get under the floorboards) and run something from there.
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Let's get this straight. 1 A ring spur can have one socket (single or double) or one FCU. 2 There is no rule that says you can't take two spurs from the same spot on a ring. 3 What I said in the second post is correct. 4 Posts 3, 4, 5, 10, and 16 are incorrect. Please point me to the rule that states you can only take one spur at any one time on the ring. If you believe this is the case, how far apart should two spurs be on the ring?You're assuming 4 13a loads, daviesm 1976. You don't need any spurs on a ring for that, just 4 13a loads.
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Thanks all I'm thinking of just running a standard extension cable around the room. I suppose it saves drilling a new cavity. - Regarding your number two A spur can power one single, double, or fused connection unit.Let's get this straight. 1 A ring spur can have one socket (single or double) or one FCU. 2 There is no rule that says you can't take two spurs from the same spot on a ring. 3 What I said in the second post is correct. 4 Posts 3, 4, 5, 10, and 16 are incorrect. Please point me to the rule that states you can only take one spur at any one time on the ring. If you believe this, how far apart on the ring should two spurs be?
You are assuming 4 13a loads, daviesm 1976. That requires no spurs on a ring, just four 13a loads.
If you install an fsu, you can add as many sockets as you want after it because the fsu's 13 amp use will protect it.
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